Thanks alot. When I apply there, won't it best if i dont submit my MCAT score? Are MCATs required to submit an application? For the UK, there's schools that take international applicants and the UKCAT is a test based for high school students which is probably less difficult than the MCAT and having a bachelor's degree would impress these schools. Do you think that makes them a better doctor? When people starting choosing Carrib MD over lesser known US MD-granting institutions, then maybe you can come talk to me about equivalency. degree IS recognized in most foreign countries. Let's hope the "every individual on the street" don't ever require treatment from "soontobeMD". In fact, i'm typing on my laptop from my spacious wall house right now. The Ponce Medical School Foundation delivered the medication to four doctors in Puerto Rico, changing lives of hundreds of patients fighting cancer. Just didnt want to wait and waste the extra years to keep slogging to get into the US or Canadian schools. You can even look into US accreditation for schools in Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands. That said, any US school (D.O. Average private school figures come in just below public schools for in-state and out-of-state students, at $60,665 and $62,111, respectively. When their lives are in danger, these patients dont give a crap where you graduated from. Did you get your first choice Amy (both for residency and fellowship)? Just keep up with all the English medical vocab, which you'll need for the USMLE. The conversation should end here. Thanks for your replies. Good comments from everyone. If DOs are looked at so poorly, why are they getting into MD residencies? Even if all US grads a granted residencies, there will be a ton of left over spots that are available. I also agree that getting a great residency/fellowship program is more important than where one attended medical school. Immaturity, family, financial, etc. Please let me know what you think of it. But seriously man, all you have contributed here is anything negative you could possibly mention and be as discouraging as you can be. should i consider applying to Medical University of Americas? These students spend a fortune on their educations, must travel far from home, and encounter difficulties matching at decent hospitals when they return to the states. I would never look down on them. "...I seriously doubt anyone would respond with the latter two. I am a US Senior and applying for General Surgery at only academic places, have not seen a single Caribbean student on an interview yet, and its not cause I didn't look, it is because PD's state: We got 1200 applicants, 200 from US seniors, and of those, invited 75... you get passed over for academic residencies 99 times out of 100. I am not against DOs, I myself would love to be a DO, but respect others and don't bash anyone. I agree, million likes to you! Their level of Step 1 pass rate is pretty high. I could not agree with you more....after being in the caribbean system and the struggles you face at each level from quality to the aura surrounding a caribbean is only for those who are extremely strong willed at becoming a doctor. Very good article - definitely helpful for anyone considering a Caribbean medical school, which is probably a great alternative for many. I am planning to transfer, but I can't find any info about it. emial me if possible. With regards to attrition rates, this discussion should be reserved for people who complete their four years of medical education, and pass their USMLE exams. Keep doing your research job, take some more time to study for the MCAT, and then take it again when you feel ready. I know this because I helped a number of students get situated. You are showing your ignorance in a very loud manner. are accurate as they had to produce evidence when the texas, ny, ca, etc boards of medical educations visited the school recently and found that the medical education provided at Ross is equal to the medical schools in their respective states. If US medical schools are churning out the obnoxious, arrogant likes of that poster, I think the DO or FMS options are looking pretty attractive. The point is that Ross University accepts students who do not succeed in their studies. The ones that did ok should be fine. Prefer to watch a video instead? While class size, reputation, and tuition are important factors students consider when choosing which medical schools to apply to, many students feel the most important aspect to consider is the school's location, specifically, whether or not the school is located in-state or out-of-state. Along the way however there were many individual mentors and hospitals that provided me with the opportunities that I needed to complete my training. Hi, In my case I study veterinary in Dominican Republic my college is Universidad Autonoma of Santo Domingo our program last 4 1/2 and our degree is lic. Just as the BU medical students who had been arrested for murder, surgeons/rad. For gods sake, let people go where they feel like going to med school and keep your opinions, whatever they may be, to yourself!!! but some excellent progs will take a look at you. and I am currently doing 7 A-levels (Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Mathematics, Further Mathematics, Psychology and Astronomy) and i plan to attend a Caribbean Medical School. The DR in OHio who was credited with the first facial reconstructive surgery ( plastic surgeon) is an IMG.....same as numerous reputable doctors produced from schools outside the United States. If you think I am lying, so be it. The bottom line is, and I can say this comfortably after attending a highly competitive pre-med school (JHU), there is a group of people who apply to MD schools, a group who apply to DO schools, and a group who apply to MD schools outside of the U.S; these aforementioned groups correlate to competitive, so-so, and poor MCAT scores, GPA, clinical experience, research (among other things), respectively. So many people who ARENT students in the caribbean talk like they know what the situation is on the islands. Certainly there are some exceptional doctors from Caribbean, but the rest are questionable. On the other hand, if you're someone who loves new adventures, enjoys challenges and meeting new people, studying out of state may suit you just fine. I'm still in the reviewing status for most of the US (MD & DO) med. Does the school provide guidance to help with the match process? So explain to me again the importance of taking MCAT when the majority cannot even hold on to last week's work ? The Carrib schools are only for the book work and all the clinicals/interniships/residencies etc. I have no reservations about my program, medical eduation, degree, and future area of expertise. What does your freinds turning down MIT have to do with anything? So again, it really depends whether you're talking about Caribbean schools in general or only the (two to three) good ones. Schedule Your FREE Initial Consultation Today! The physicians who graduate from Caribbean medical schools play an increasingly important role in the US health care system by supplying residency programs with qualified applicants and helping to meet a well documented physician shortage, particularly in primary care medicine. Perhaps you have the intention of moving, living and working in a different state because you really want to help a state's local rural underserved community. I have four friends currently at ross with mcat scores ranging from 14-18 and low GPA's but I understand that getting in is not the hard part...its staying there. Your AMCAS work and activities section, medical school personal statement and medical school secondary essays need to be phenomenal and must demonstrate why you would be a good fit, regardless of the fact that you don't live in state. Kevin (& David)- I too have two friends who were just accepted into Ross University with extremely low MCAT scores, or shall I say considered unacceptable to the US ( they were 18 & 20 to be precise). If you look at the match lists for SGU this year you will notice that out of the huge number of students only a tiny minority got into competitive residencies while 0 got into radiology. My experience comes from what programs have told me and what my FMG friends have told me...that's it. If you want to be a doctor to make some cash (for as long as that will last) then you should consider that matching into the more lucrative specialties is even challenging for graduates of the top US schools. When evaluating the success of a Caribbean medical school’s graduates, it is important to find out specifically where and in what specialties students match. I want to be a doctor more than anything. What percentage of students are US citizens? Classes are much more difficult, exams are harder, if you fail there are no retakes, you are just dismissed. One of my classmates even managed to get a surgery residency followed by a cardiovascular surgery fellowship and is at present a very successful cardiovascular surgeon. If you're going into medicine for reasons of intellectual and emotional fulfillment, then there is absolutely no rush to start your training. You Americans think that you are it. I'm headed down to SGU in a couple of weeks and have been a little nervous about residency placement. I have two questions if someone can please help me. "....forget about it" ?????? Also determine what percentage of fourth year students match into categorical programs. Just because you don't know much about Caribbean countries, it doesn't mean w'ere stupid. Each academic year at SGU, about 600 students graduate with an attrition rate of 10-15%. Out of 17 programs, if you want to study in English, you have 14 programs you may be eligible for. In the last four decades, the Caribbean has seen a steady increase in the number of medical schools on the islands as well as the size of their student bodies. Wow so many opinions. On the contrary, what one does while IN medical school and residency training will most definitely be indicative of their performance as a physician, hence the reason why the look at your board scores, grades, and research, but could give a rat's @$$ about your MCAT. Caribbean admissions take as many as they can and if a student struggles through the medical program and not get residencies and such you are on your own, and your money goes down the drain. In California, not only must the individual school be approved for clinical clerkships but the student’s clerkship and course work must be approved by the state medical board to obtain residency and subsequent physician licensure. This is from 2009, not sure if it's the latest one but you get the idea. The game is to raise the bills and charges as much as possible . I have nothing negative to say about any of the Caribbean schools, but be certain that you are going to receive the education they promise and consider re-applying to US schools if that is an option. Reason writer doesn't mention PR is because PR schools are LCME accredited. That is true for any graduate of any medical school. I think it would be possible for you to apply for the winter semester (starting in January) if you get your scores up until then. It is up to the individual… the arguments over DO/FMG/AMG are for the academically immature seeking the degree for the wrong reasons. I overcame that with my interviews. I just finished my MPH with a pretty decent GPA. Start by using our medical school chance predictor to determine how competitive your MCAT and GPA scores are compared to the medical school's admission statistics. My brother who is going to be a third year medical student at U of Illinois saw those FMGs, predominantly from Asian and African countries taking the USMLE prep course that he took. It will hit the Caribbean students and other FMGs, who did not do so well (low board scores etc.). I'm still waiting for AUC. I cannot imagine being a male nurse would be as painful as least they are wanted and needed! The University of the West Indies is an excellent university with three medical schools. I'll take your advice about 'not believing anything I hear', starting with your post. I find you unappealing. It's just that I didn't test well on the MCAT and my undergrad GPA wasn't that high. Further, Caribbean schools seek core rotations for their students in the same manner that US schools. China has medical schools that accept international students. There are SO many schools out there hurting the reputation of all offshore schools, even the good ones. Am i dumb?? Official transcript from the medical school from which the candidate is seeking transfer Letter of good standing from the dean of the medical school Submit two letters of recommendation from professors, academic advisors or clinical supervisors from the medical school which the student is attending, who can comment on his/her academic performance, character and interests. I like this article. I think I would take a Caribbean MD (big 4 anyways) over some of the D.O schools. At the present time it is extremely difficult to be accepted into an American Medical School and schools are turning away many very qualified applicants. They said they wouldn't even interview the vast majority of them regardless of their board scores. Sorry, but 9 out of 10 people with the stats you mentioned would wait it out a year and get into a U.S. school because it WILL improve one's chances of attaining a more competitive residency. I am a DO and I went through the allopathic match for an anesthesia residency position. Ponce Medical School Foundation Inc. operates as a nonprofit charitable organization. No. Many other states defer to California’s approval for the purpose of licensure because most do not have their own approval process. It's nice to have a big name school on your diploma don't get me wrong, but I'd be happier getting the residency program of my choice. An MD, a DO, or someone who graduated from a medical school in the Caribbean? Get off your high horse kid and respect others. The following is a comprehensive list of all out of state friendly medical schools in the US along with their percentage of out of state matriculants in the previous year. I really enjoyed the article and the feedback everyone have contributed. no way to know which ones, necessarily. No, I will not tell you the programs and I don't really see any need to explain why. Where and in what specialties did students in the most recent graduating classes match for residency, and what percentage of fourth year students matched into categorical residencies? A Ross Med grad, Dr. Rezak, trained in trauma surgery at Brigham and Women's hospital. I will be applying to medical school this year and I will be applying to these US accredited medical schools as realistically my college GPA (University of Florida) is low due to family/personal problems. With the osteopathic route, you get to stay in the US for the entire four years instead of travelling thousands of miles away to a third world country. That's not opinion, that is truth. Obviously reading that someone went to SGU as opposed to someone who went to UCSD medical school will automatically make the later more desirable. University of Puerto Rico School of Dental Medicine Student Interview || FutureDDS - Duration: ... Why you should go to medical school in the caribbean - Duration: 4:23. Has the school had any recent changes in leadership? Located in San Juan, 25 medical programs 2. but here in America, we have a deeply rooted system of medical education called osteopathy. I do not think it to be a bad idea at all. I am now a neurosurgeon. I'm a staff physician recruiter for placement firm that specializes in MD's. As for everyone going DO as a second choice, there certainly are those who did not get into allo and so chose osteo, how many will never be known but it is certainly not everyone. Your own passions and motivations may line up perfectly with a medical school's mission statement and vision to assist underserved communities. Many were forthright and said that they preferred US citizens from US schools. over ANY Carib school... not even a thought. but tough luck getting into a solid residency program. Trump dismissed that history as he discussed the aid disbursement and pledged to revitalize Puerto Rico’s pharmaceutical and medical equipment manufacturing industry, which has been in decline in part due to the 1996 repeal of tax incentives. For applicant's that do not gain entry into a US allopathic school their first time around, would you consider Caribbean schools as being a better alternative to osteopathic schools if one primarily concerned with being able to practice in the US in a slightly competitive sub specialty? This is about Ben's post. I am sick and tired of seeing people bash each other over where they went to med school on this website. I was surrounded by bright and interesting peers and we went on to have great careers in medicine. Many states won't consider students who don't have recognition from ACCM or other accrediting bodies. To be eligible for ACGME accredited residency programs in the United States, and for licensure in many states, students who graduate from a Caribbean medical school must obtain an ECFMG certificate. med schools (Ross & AUC). In the medical field, where a doctor does his/or her training is very important in how well respected they are and how much they will be paid. you need to realize that Caribbean people are not stupid. What percentage of students who enter as first year students start third year rotations as scheduled? I am board certified in Family Medicine which was my ultimate goal. Yes, those in academia or those with family and friends in medicine may know, but a lot don't. I was considering this option but it's too expensive and that i couldn't afford the tuition cost. I had planned originally planned on medical school but used the Navy ROTC program to pay for my education. I spent two years sick because of his misdiagnoses. The "route" itself to one's medical degree does not really give you an advantage or disadvantage. You definitely have to choose your school wisely and make sure they are a reputable and are certified. - Duration: 7:15. So for a person with not low stats like me, what is your suggestion? The only comment on this page that is truth and worthy of taking seriously. I have known a few who are their way to becoming exceptional doctors. And they are now excellent physicians. With a 3.5 why not go the D.O. Medical school escapes: San Juan Puerto Rico Adventure - Duration: 3:31. You just want to be helped. The main question here is whether a prospective medical student actually wants to be a D.O. There are many East European Medical Schools that are open to US and Canadian students, are much more established that Caribbean schools, have much better reputation and many graduates in prestigious fields like surgery, neurology, ortho etc. And kevin there is no last resort in medicine...the field is grueling itself ...there are so many more decisions you will have to make in the future that might seem like a last resort but its probably the best decision you will make. Taken from the 2010-11 MSAR; San Juan Batista School of Medicine Ave GPA: 3.3 Ave MCAT 20....Ponce School of Medicine Ave GPA:3.6 Ave MCAT: 21.... Those are only 2 of the schools, but as you can see have a MCAT average is way lower, generally 5-6 pts below the ave MCAT at any given osteopathic school, and about 10 pts lower than other us allo schools. Everything they do after the book work is all done stateside. I don't care if you don't get into US medical schools because they are competitive! Cooperative Program between University of Puerto Rico Medical School, Yale School of Medicine & Yale Graduate School. Most importantly, they are eligible for federal student loans. Out of state medical school applicants face high competition and generally low chances of acceptance compared to in state applicants at public medical schools. Ask most caribbean students how many places they applied to for residency: Most do 60+ for 10 interviews. Hi, does anyone know something about American Global University??? Going to medical school in the Caribbean can be a good option as long as you do your research and make an educated choice. [However, D.O.s have to learn everything MD plus a few hundred more hours of OMM, which I believe only makes me a better doctor). We have malls, restaurants, good shopping and everything else. The minimum requirements for admission are: A Bachelor’s degree or its equivalent (as determined by the Registrar’s Office) with a grade index of at least 3.00 overall and 3.00 in science subjects (on a 4.00 scale). Much of our education is based on the English system and we produce many scholars. Those who CAN, make it through the other end, those who still CANNOT, get weeded out (at least at the big 3 Caribbean schools). The fact that medical schools are increasing class sizes and more medical schools are being established, but residency spots are not increasing is precisely the reason NOT to go to any foreign medical school if you want to practice in the US. Tuition is $6,324 and fees $3,193. Earn a MD or a DO, but train and treat the patient, many posts on this board represent classist ideas and deep fears of anything and anyone that is "different." Medicial bills are still the no 1 cuase of personel bankruptcy , not the housing bubble or the faulty no down payment loans to people with no income . It is a profit school because it takes a lot of people, but some are able to become doctors and able to continue on with their medical career. Most students in all medical schools (100% in UPR) are PR residents; a working knowledge of spoken and written Spanish are requirements for admission to all three. Core clinical rotations and third and fourth year curriculum in Caribbean schools resemble those of US medical schools. When determining whether or not you should study out of state, you should consider the following factors: Is medical school worth it? It's a small public university in a large city. Come on. My dermatologist at UChicago for example is from Greece and went to med school in Athens. For all of them I know that it was a second choice, both for the off-shore AND osteopathic folks. Are the posts really representative of podiatry podiatrists and a profession in disarray? All of us right? For many students, it will be their first time away from the United States for a prolonged period of time. Don't judge us, if you don't know us. My son applied to US schools with top scores and did not get in...believe me -he has more on the ball than most US doctors I have experience! Having significant ties to a state can certainly put you at an advantage. I have nothing against FMG's at all. Good luck with that. The osteopathic DO degree is a very strong alternative to the US-trained MD degree. Reason being, a good chunk of your time is spent treating musculoskeletal systems. St. George's is the worst medical school in the Caribbean. So please - cut the BS. It's because it's tough, not trying to be mean, just stating the facts. You must REALLY, TRULY want to be a doctor for all the right reasons...altruism etc. I do find it disturbing how easily Caribbean schools take students, but once in the program the strong are able to become doctors. I attended St. George's University from 2003 to 2005 and was very happy with the education I was granted there. Caribbean schools have a rather nasty practice of making you repeat your entire quarter a year later if you fail a single test, and of course require that you pay tuition a second time. From a competitive perspective, it is always preferable to participate in clinical rotations located in hospitals that not only have ACGME accredited residency programs but are academic teaching hospitals rather than community hospitals. Well, that depends. ... Students go to Yale for eight weeks the summer after their first year of medical school to complete a laboratory rotation and to attend the Yale MD-PhD Program’s Annual Retreat. Can't someone go to a medical school in other industrialized or first world countries. My advice for future applicants is to STAY AWAY FROM MESSAGE BOARDS! Great Job! The good news is that you can apply to and go through medical school in either English or French. At least I will have a chance to take the boards and have a main street career. An out of state applicant, in general, is an applicant that is a resident of a state outside of a medical school's state. 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